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Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:09:00 -
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the kronos really is underrated as a mission boat. even though it is generally considered the least effective of the marauders, this in no way means it is bad compared to most any other mission ship and is probably the best hybrid boat for missions. the fit inir posted looks great (id add a gecko or 5 mediums, 5 lights and two sentries for flexibility and fit salvagers) and gets amazing range considering its using blasters.
no implants all V range on null is 20km optimal with end of falloff(eof) being 72km. incidentally im happy as a peach with my vargur eof being 74km. dps is 1067with guns alone. if something gets close then you can unleash void for almost 1500dps on guns alone (11km opt, 30km eof) and over 1600 with a gecko. that should melt even angels that like to get in close.
for serp space probably only the golem comes close to being as effective amongst marauders.
rails will be acceptable agains guristas that like to keep range (50km+ optimal) but perhaps mjd with blasters will be better. just know its a brawling ship at heart and you will have to get mighty comfortable with the mjd/bastion. fit more tank to start with. marauders can still die ;) |
Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:04:00 -
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yea I think the bastion + mjd significantly boosted all marauder's ability to project damage and increase their mobility. |
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:20:00 -
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too much tank, too much bling, no mjd, rails instead of blasters.
oh right and no bastion pahahaha.
the fit would suggest you are trying to fly it like an arty Machariel and wondering why it wont work.
the old marauders are dead, just let it go, like in that song.
once you've learned to let it go get acquainted with the new sexy marauder. treat her right and buy her the right shoes and she will never let you go. heck they dont even have to be fancy shoes, just nice T2 ones will do wonders. |
Anize Oramara
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Posted - 2014.06.20 00:06:00 -
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the bastion is an amazingly fun piece of kit. just the posibilities alone makes me all hot and bothered. I guess im lucky in that I didnt fly the marauders much before the change. I think I had my vargur for only a little while and was so utterly disappointed and frustrated with it in sansha space that I nearly quit the game. I didnt have standings for angel space. I got into whs at least and when the bastion changes/mjd came on the test server it utterly blew my mind, especially on the paladin and vargur is just sooo good and fun now compared to how it was. the salvaging, the ecm immunity, the range, the mjd. the kronos seemed the most controversial but also has some of the most potential.
I was lucky, I didnt get stuck in a rut with marauders, relying so heavily on things like broken 90% web. I could look past the removal of things like that and see their true potential and adapt where others just could not.
I could let it go.
you should too, just let go of the 90% web.
just let it go. let it go.
ps. its even worse that you are taking a ship that changed so radically and fit it exactly the same way as before and for some inane reason think it will perform the same way as before. that is just plain dumb. like can you see how stupid that is? the problem is not the ship, its the sod piloting it and yet the poor kronos gets all the blame. |
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:31:00 -
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the personal attacks really aren't necessary. However you post does continue to highlight a few very important shortcomings in you understanding of the changes, especially how to use the bastion correctly.
you continually talk about the overtanking that bastion allows and while that is extremely usefull in OTHER areas of the game, using it in lv4s makes you a scrubby. what you do is you fit the ship so that you have the same amount of tank AFTER bastion is turned on that you had before bastion was introduced. (maybe a smidge more because you are not moving after all). this allows you more fitting flexibility and importantly allows you to drop those silly expensive officer/dedspace mods meaning you are now far more safe from getting ganked for profit.
then theres the increase in range, the extra application you get from that and from extra mid slot application mods or even prop mods.
you also seem to have completely missed the point of the mjd, believing it is used (on the marauders) as a way to fly away from the rats. it is used to get CLOSER instantly instead of having to run a mwd to get closer. thats the whole point of the time reduction for it on the hull. rapid re deployment to get to rats amd gates faster.
see you original fit lacks two things that are bonused on the hull (not to mention you STILL fit an unbonused web) and you complain that the marauders are worse now. stop living in the past, you are only giving people a reason to make fun of you.
this is like me taking the vindi, not fitting webs to it and armor tanking it and fitting rails and complaining that no one wants to invite me to their incursion fleet.
or like not fitting nos to the blood raider ships, or not fitting ab to the sansha ships, etc.
do you get it yet? if you can't the you really should not be giving patendly bad advice like the fit you posted. its outdated and will get ganked or lost to rats. a fit like that is borderline trolling. |
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Posted - 2014.06.24 13:05:00 -
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take a look then at the typhoon/fleet phoon/rattlesnake as well. working on drone skills is always an excellent next step after you are happy with your missile skills. Drones are used by every race in almost every ship in both pve and pvp.
not to mention they recently got a big overhaul making all race drones useful. |
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Posted - 2014.06.24 14:08:00 -
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a pally can get 100km+ optimal with scorch and bastion pretty easily and then has the option of face melting dps at closer range not to mention the kick ass tracking.
but yea rattle is a very solid mission boat now, well worth the train. |
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Posted - 2014.06.26 13:54:00 -
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the continued personal attacks aside your posts just continue to highlight how badly stuck you are in the pre bastion marauder thinking.
90% webs on marauders were a crutch, something that allowed certain ships to flat out ignore many game mechanics and interactions. not only that but it completely dominated the vindi and made it nearly irrelevant. they removed the webs, get over it. at least it is kinda balanced on serp ships and gives thew their niche.
you incursion background however does now explain a lot, in particular your elitist and arrogant interaction with me. come live in a c5 wormhole for a few months, hopping from hole to hole every 4 days, scanning down chains daily that will make a seasoned wormholer cry and dare to call me a ******* casual again. |
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Posted - 2014.06.27 09:27:00 -
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wow, digging up out of context 6month old posts. not even having the decency to post a link to the thread, posts made while still developing fittings and playstiles for what might as well be brand new ships and mechanics. posts based on 7 month old SISI data.
I think I just found a new low. congrats for proving that no matter how little you think of someone or their methods, there is always room for it to get worse. but thats just like, my opinion.
at the least this continues to prove my point that you are living in past, unable to make a single post without mentioning how critically important 99% webs were for marauders. once I got 5 t2 drones years ago I have never ever had any issues with frigates. I did not need a 99% web crutch.
as a side note, if bastion is so horrible because it allows me to ignore TD then is the same true for any missile ship? how about drone boats against damps or jams? your arguments are flawed and transparent and digging up ancient out of context posts only serves to discredit your pov.
and the difference between c4 wh, the most sickeningly safe and isolated wh pve in the game, and c5 where getting 12bill of capitals wiped in an instant by a gank squad and not being able to do a damn thing about it is so vast I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad that you'd even compare them.
if you want to further discuss marauders feel free to send me a pm. additional personal attacks will get reported.
the original question in this thread was hybrids for lv4s and the best platform for that is the rail/blaster BASTION kronos. it is competative with the other marauders and excells in cal/gal space. it will probably outperform both a paladin and vargur in that space for the majority of missions. not fitting or using bastion is dumb beyond reason and then you shouldn't even be looking at marauders in the first place as there are better ships if you have a burning hate for bastion. |
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:45:00 -
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